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September 04, 2008

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Noah

Well, I guess because I am religious that the line is blurry. For example, some things I believe in are moral issues. And to go against them or allow them would violate my conscience. In which case I cannot, in good conscience, advocate for them (gay marriage being one).

Now when it comes to voting, I try to vote for who I think will do the best job all together. I can disagree with their stance on some things and still vote for them. For example, last election I voted Kerry because I agreed more with some important things in his platform (i.e. the war and homeland security and education) then I did with Bush.

I hope that makes sense. While I don't want to impose my religion on others by forcing them to be a Christian, some issues of morality are just too important for me to ignore. And I feel that ignoring them does go against "the greater good" so to speak.

Sybil Law

I am an independent. I go with whomever I feel is best for the job - sometimes, i even vote for someone not running. When I was younger, once, I voted for myself.
I get what you're saying, though, and also Noah's viewpoint. Most people live a certain Christian (or whatever) way, and so those things factor into their decisions. They even factor into mine - but not the way most people would imagine. I think, for a lot of people (maybe everyone), their religion guides their conscience, and so it's impossible for them to separate that from their political choice.
Anyway, I'm just mostly sick of BOTH sides and their little sheeple. I mean, BOTH sides get so freaking ugly and unaccepting of the other. Being an independent, I think it's easier for me to see it.
Mostly, I am sick and done with the two party system altogether in this country.

Lori

Noah-
See, I totally admire that you can look past some of your religious beliefs to look at ALL the issues and vote for who you think is the best candidate based on all of that. From my experience, you aren't the "norm" though. I know so many people that just can't even look at anything else and always vote Republican bc that's where there religious beliefs lie. And I just don't understand that. I also don't understand people getting so hung up on one issue (relatively minor in the grand scheme of things) like abortion and not being willing to look at anything else except for whether a politician is pro-life. That's crazy to me bc that issue affects so few people whereas the economy and education affect almost all of us. And I hate that politicians feel the pressure from their "party" to vote certain ways or else they might piss off the religious and "conservative Christians". Like McCain picking Palin. She obviously wasn't HIS choice, but the Republicans feel that they have to have someone with strong religious convictions so that they don't piss off the people that just vote "religiously".

And I get where religion plays a part on your moral convictions, but sometimes I don't see how one persons morals should make decisions for the whole country either. I guess it gets tricky. And seeing as I don't have religious convictions, it's hard for me to see that side, just like it's hard for someone to see the other side.


Syb-
get what you're saying. And I actually replied to Noah too. Because, from my experience, she's not the "norm". So many people that I know JUST vote Republican because of their religious beliefs. They won't even consider another candidate. And they get hung up on one issue (that's relatively minor in the grand scheme of things) like abortion and no matter what else the candidate has to say, if they're not pro-life, they won't vote for them. Instead of considering issues that affect a much greater portion of the population like education and the economy. And I hate how people feel they need to toe the party line for fear of losing the "religious" votes. Like McCain picking Palin. Obviously not his choice and obviously done to please the super conservative and religious. If he'd have picked Lieberman I wouldn't respected him more and not worried AS much about him winning. Now, I'm freakin scared to have that woman in the White House!

Laura

You make a good point, Lori! I feel like Noah in that I have to make choices based upon my belief system, because it's what I live my life by...but I agree with her and with you also that people in general, especially Christians, need to THINK through every issue and dig a little deeper than just a knee-jerk vote. I have friends who feel so deeply about abortion that it IS The only issue for them, and I can respect that as long as they have carefully weighed everything, and aren't just following the lead of some random leader in the Religious Right, KWIM?

I also agree with your point about not forcing the morality of one segment of the population on the entire country. It's a tricky line to walk. But the thing is, forced morality isn't really morality anyway. I can work tirelessly to get a ban on gay marriage passed, but does that law make anyone less homosexual? Of course not. Morality comes at a heart level, not at a legal one.

Jessica Moore

Oh boy, this topic can open a can of worms. I've said before that I am not religious either - so I tend to agree with you. I am a strong believer in the separation of church in state. As a matter of fact I was punished in high school standing up for the right (and my right to not say the pledge everyday, and to not have people handing out bibles). Anyway, I digress.

My mom is gay. Therefore I have strong personal feelings about that subject. I think love is love and it doesn't matter the sex. I can say with 100% certainty that her relationship with her female partner was strong and healthy - unlike the one with my dad. Anyway, it's not important, but I agree with you that it shouldn't be a religious issue when it comes to making laws.

I have not done my research in the political arena. I know, shame, shame. But because I haven't, I do not hold judgement on or complain about who wins. If I don't vote with strong belief, then I can't complain if things go differently than I think they should. Not sure that made since.


Mike from the Newborn Identity

Very good post! I also advocate seperation of church and state (you know, for real, not just saying we do it).

Another thing that saddens me is that all politicians have to push their religion constantly. I saw Biden on TV today and when asked about abortion he said (paraphrasing), "AS A CATHOLIC I BELIEVE LIFE STARTS AT CONCEPTION, but I also believe women should have a choice." Why can't he just say, "Dude. Women deserve the right to choose. Let's not keep them in the corner anymore, aiight?" (Of course maybe he would say this more formally! ;) My point though is that it is sad he has to qualify his thoughts and remind everyone he is a good Christian first because if he doesn't he will alienate people.

holly

i find that the greatest irony is that they want us to *choose* them so that they can take away some of our *other* choices.

i loved this post, lori.

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